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My mom is pissed at Osho. She admits that her hangups about his Rolls-Royces have prevented her from giving his teachings and writings a chance -- even a cursory glance, she won't give him.

That's cool, doesn't matter. But now her teacher is reading the autobiography of Rajneesh and digging it, so she's being subtly forced to have a second look. She told her teacher, "My son likes his teachings too, but Panditji, I think that actions speak louder than words, and I can't respect someone who spends so much money on expensive cars instead of putting it towards something more worthy."

One of her favourite teachers, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, has reportedly admitted to sleeping with several of his younger female students, but that doesn't seem to bother her as much, for some reason. I told her that Rajneesh's Rolls-Royces were all gifts from his students, but that didn't seem to make much of a difference.

His Zen Tarot cards are extremely happening, if anyone's interested.

Hari OM.

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vyoma September 21st, 2003
Rajneesh was an evil man, a scoundrel, a murderer, a liar, and a thief. He defrauded many a fool into giving him their "gifts" and preached to others the renunciation of material things while stockpiling them for himself. He hired a cadre of thugs to look out for his interests, including Ma Shiela, a woman who orchestrated the largest biological attack on innocent people in the history of the Western hemisphere, poisoning entire towns in Oregon with botulism in order to keep them away from the polls during an election so that Rajneesh's hand-picked slate of candidates could be elected.

In short, Rajneesh was one of the worst perverters of Tantric teachings who has ever lived. The only good thing he ever did was die, and even in that he took plenty of others with him -- spreading AIDS among the remnants of his foolish flock. Then, after his death, his relatives and followers lied about the cause of his death to protect his reputation.

Osho's teachings are like a bucket of shit, except without the grace of a bucket.

iamom September 21st, 2003
Du-u-u-de... This reaction from eerily familiar -- maybe I've drawn it from you in a past post about Rajneesh?

I don't know nearly enough about the guy personally to discuss these claims, let alone dispute them with you (not that I want to, necessarily, but still).

The researcher in me only wants to ask you for some more background, please and thank you. You routinely quote sources and references excellently in many of your own posts; do you have similar material to back up these disturbing claims? I've never heard anyone say anything like this about Rajneesh before.

vyoma September 21st, 2003
Start here. Interesting he never mentions it in his autobiography. Does he say anything about the tax evasion charges in India that brought him to the US originally?

There have also been several documentaries done on the events in Oregon. Osho liked to claim, of course, that he never had any responsibility for the actions of those with whom he surrounded himself... a direct affront to the very conecpt of the guru, who by taking on a student also takes on the student's karma. In the end, Rajneesh was a terrible man who surrounded himself with terrible people... and he himself, at least publicly, disavowed his own status as a guru in 1988.

iamom September 21st, 2003
Sheesh. Read this one:
http://gesswhoto.com/sheriff-wasco2.html

I'm not really sure what to say. I knew he was a notorious teacher, but was he really behind all this stuff? The way the court cases turned out, it sounds like Ma Anand Sheela was really the mastermind.

Hmm. This article at Salon.com is also interesting:
http://gesswhoto.com/sheriff-wasco2.html

I've never been under any illusion about the difference between Rajneesh and Osho, but I hadn't heard about the salad bars and all that. I'd like to read some more about it sometime.

vyoma September 21st, 2003
Rajneesh (there was never an Osho; Osho was a name assigned to him posthumously by his followers in order to recycle his teachings under a new name after his death when Rajneesh had been thoroughly discredited on every religious, ethical, and legal front) distanced himself from Sheela after she was arrested. What kind of guru can't tell what kind of person he puts in charge of running his affairs? Sheela was his right hand person, and even though there was never concrete evidence found that Rajneesh was himself behind these events, it's a bit like saying that Hitler never killed any Jews because he didn't personally shepherd them into the camps.

A guru takes on the karma of his/her disciples. That's part of what being a guru is about. It's not about spouting off a bunch of sweet-smelling lies that one doesn't believe oneself and raking in as much money as possible from the credulous. Rajneesh put Sheela in charge because she was as cunning and as devious as he was, and because she could provide the strong-arm for Rajneesh without he himself being implicated in the terrible things she did on his behalf. That's exactly what happened in the end.

Knowing all these things happened in his name, Rajneesh neevr did anything to make any sort of restitution. He went back to India and washed his hands of the whole affair. His sisyas never got back any of what they gave up, and the people of Antelope got nothing for the pain that was caused them in his name. Rajneesh was in it for himself, pure and simple, and he cared nothing about the well-being of anyone else. He was a classic charlatan, spouting off simple, basic, oft-repeated lessons to take in those he could. He started off Jain, turned Tantrika when he thought it would benefit him, and then walked away from that and changed to Buddhism to disociate himself further.

Your mother is absolutely right to be "pissed off" at such a criminal!

iamom September 21st, 2003
I started Googling Rajneesh out of interest, and also found this article from someone who knew him first-hand:

http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html

I'm starting to think that the guy was personally quite flawed, but I have to admit that I've read a number of his teachings and they're genuinely very good. But I'd still like to hear more about him. Hopefully someone else has some other news to share about him.

blorky September 22nd, 2003
Yes - I think Osho's, Rinpoche's and Da Free John's stories all point at the notion that you can be extraordinarily advanced down a spiritual path, yet not have an adequate grasp of considerate ethical behavior. I am deeply fond of the Osho Zen deck, and found out recently that it's available as a Palm app.

iamom September 24th, 2003
That's great insight -- I agree with you that one can be genuinely enlightened spiritually yet still behave in ways that to some, would seemingly contradict that enlightenment.

Didn't know that about the Osho Zen Palm app. Do you know where to find it?

Been done, by better minds than Hawking.

blorky September 24th, 2003

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