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no more sleeps!

The surest sign of spiritual progress is a total lack of concern about progress. There is an utter absence of anxiety about anything like liberation and a sort of hollowness in one's being, a kind of looseness and involuntary surrender to whatever might happen.
--Ramesh S. Balsekar
I have to leave here in just over 2 hours, but I still have 50% of my packing left to do and I haven't showered, shaved, or dressed yet, either. Sometimes I like to work under tight deadlines.

I guess I shouldn't be on here right now, but I'm waiting for the girls to wake up because that's where I have to start packing...

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vyoma January 10th, 2003
Interesting quote. I wonder sometimes where the line is drawn between schizophrenia and enlightenment. I've been going through a good deal of "hollowness" and "resignation" myself of late, as you know. I wonder which of these two categories, if they are indeed different, I wind up falling into.

hai_kah_uhk January 10th, 2003
Insanity is a value judgment. Anything can be labeled as evidence of insanity if it doesn't fit into the norms of the society in question... or sometimes if it does.

The lack of concern part seems to be key. It might be very hard to achieve... concern has a way of continually slipping back in... but I think that maybe therein lies the difference. A mentally ill person is one who can't fit properly into society. An enlightened person is one who follows his own path and finds his own answers. The difference is perspective.

iamom January 10th, 2003

fireceremony January 10th, 2003

In the hopes that I'm not offending Iamom by replying to a question posted in his journal (and of course there is usually several replies to one question):

As I see it, the difference is whether one feels something is lacking or everything is in the right place.

The hollowness and resignation mentioned means the hollowness of being no one, of feeling like a no-person, having no sense of central self. The resignation is contentment with the world and the self as it is, going completely with the flow, being open to the events and reactions to those events as they appear.

Those notions are very different from the confused, unstable, fearful and discontent reactions that characterize schizophrenia.


iamom January 10th, 2003
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think that's a great interpretation of the distinction between healthy detachment and the illness of schizophrenia.


fireceremony January 11th, 2003

Thanks ! We both know there's a big difference b/n the two.

I'm glad you weren't offended. :)

iamom January 10th, 2003
Some good replies to your comment, I thought. From where I stand, I don't think you're anywhere close to crazy -- I don't even think you're depressed. I think it's okay to feel hollow or resigned, as long as you're not actively trying to disengage from what's actually happening in the moment.

You're totally fine. It's all good, I think. You're observing everything clearly, which is the most important thing. And the stuff you're writing (i.e. the manner in which you're expressing yourself) is still totally fresh, untainted.

fireceremony January 10th, 2003

You liberate me by posting a quote like that. :)

Good luck packing and returning.

I like those tight deadlines too, keeps you on your toes.

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