Dustin LindenSmith

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nondual research

An initiative regarding nondual research arose for me a few minutes ago. After hearing a scientist on the radio discuss the results of a recent environmental study in the Great Lakes, I thought of several questions to ask him about his research -- primarily about his methods.

I then wondered to myself if there was a parallel between eliminating the need to ask questions in one's spiritual quest, with its corollary in the field of research. See, when I think about spiritual seeking from a nondual perspective, there's really no seeking to be had. I can't think of anything specific to seek out anymore -- the need for asking questions about things has kind of dried up. And so I wondered what flavour of research you would have if you approached research from that perspective. That is, from the perspective of not actually seeking a specific bit of knowledge or understanding.

Ach, that's kind of abstract, I guess. But a side note about my love for research of all types: research is the organized pursuit of knowledge; in the main, it concerns itself with collecting, organizing and analyzing information about our world. Statistical analysis in particular studies the significance of relationships found between different factors in our environment. I can't deny my longstanding interest in these matters, as I've found their study to be a means to deepen my understanding about myself and my relationship with the world. For me, cultivating that interest with a technical mind has resulted in a love for research.

And a different side note regarding the relationship between this love and my job... My job concerns itself chiefly with research in the commercial realm; however, I'm developing skills essential to the pursuit of other types of research through my work. I fully intend to follow paths to other realms of research -- primarily socially-related -- whenever the opportunity presents itself. But in the meantime, I'm lucky to have a job that incorporates something that I love into it.

Returning to my original topic now, I was wondering if there were any nondual researchers out there. They could be in the corporate sector or elsewhere, it wouldn't matter. There must be people involved in different kinds of research who are coming from a nondual perspective, n'est-ce pas? Undoubtedly there are, but I haven't really come across any yet, to my knowledge. I think there's a few on the NDS lists, but I'm not sure who they are.

The initiative in nondual research I was thinking about had modest initial goals. I'd really just like to have a discussion with some like-minded researchers about their approaches. I always find it interesting to hear how people apply this kind of understanding about the world to specific fields of interest or study.

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awesboss September 29th, 2001
Some people doing research from a nondual perspective are Drew Hemphill, Charlene Spretnak, and Masanobu Fukuoka. Visit them at http://nonduality.com/activism.htm

Also check out Nonduality and Physics at http://nonduality.com/context.htm.

I don't know if these people take quite the disposition that you're taking, but they might come close.

Also look at this activist organization. Some hard core nondualists are guest speakers:

iamom September 30th, 2001
Hey there, thanks for the great links. I've been lost in them for an hour. But now, after reading this one, I feel like dropping the exercise altogether!!! His sentiment really resonated strongly with me.


seekerofsages September 29th, 2001
To you, D.,
how does "research" differ from "direct experience"?
Can you have a nondual perspective while utilizing causation--(assuming cause and effect is necessary in research)--?
Do you have a nondual perspective-?--or does a nondual perspective have "you"-?
Can a nondual perspective utilize measurement and comparison?
To me, the difference between "nonduality" and a "nondual perspective" is the difference between "nondualtiy" and the duality of one who has a perspective.

Re: Hiya...:-)

iamom September 30th, 2001
Those are valid points, and I think I understand what you're saying. Your words also highlight something I've observed when one sinks deeper into a nondual understanding: once one sees the world for what it is, it becomes a challenge to put into mere words even a basic description of the world. To take your example, do I have a nondual perspective or does the perspective have me? Or, how can the world be measured or analyzed when the world isn't really there to begin with?

I've personally found it necessary to mute that level of nondual understanding a bit when discussing aspects of the world. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about the world if you don't accept the fact that we're actually here (even if cosmically, we're not). Most of us don't approach each aspect of our daily lives in such a 'seeing-through' manner. If we did, we'd probably be forced to hole up in a cave somewhere in constant meditation and never talk to anybody. I know I'm not at that place right now, so I'm forced to use regular language and concepts when discussing things. And that's where I was coming from when I wrote this entry.

Re: Hiya...:-)

seekerofsages September 30th, 2001
Well.... :-)
I don't think it is that "one sinks into a deeper understanding of nonduality". ---Rather one deals with less and less ignorance. To me, Nonduality is an absolute that cannot be understood with the finite mind--it is direct experience--not an intellectual understanding. "When one sees the world for what it is"-- in nonduality---one speaks freely in total sync with the nondual. All Sages I know of lived and spoke among people. The finite world can easily be measured, the absolute nondual cannot--it is beyond qualitites. To me, Nonduality is an absolute, and it's not a quality that can define a point of view.

As your friend, B.J.

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