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Trivia buffs will love this History. Thanks to prismfaerie for the link.

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fireceremony January 24th, 2002

Thanks for the link.

It's always strange to read recent events as history (in the making ?), including business or corporate history as the development of video games is. Always makes me think "what if history (ancient history etc) empasized the same types of events as business history". :) It makes me wary of history writing in general.

Didn't know you were interested in the development of the entertainment branch known as video games. :)

iamom January 24th, 2002
Well, I'm not a fanatic or anything, but I got pretty interested in video games after the most recent release of a particular driving game called Porsche Unleashed. I was astounded by the quality of the graphics, and it made me think of the future of video gaming in general with virtual reality helmets and driving cockpits and stuff. When you start considering the sophisticated manner in which we will be able to construct virtual reality for entertainment or other purposes, I can't help but wonder if that will successfully serve to help awaken us to the inherently virtual reality of our present day-to-day existence.

I guess what I'm really saying is that if you play a lot of video games, you'll become enlightened!

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fireceremony January 24th, 2002

LOL ! That's a very funny thought since video games are so often looked down on by culturalists. It would also be funny if a machine could remind a human about the essentially human that most humans forget or can't see.

After watching a few video games, especially the third person ones, I have been thinking about the same thing, about the digital virtual reality perhaps being able to demonstrate the witnessing state of sensing and the environment as part of the human body / consciousness successfully. Not sure how that could be done, but maybe with the right kind of story ?

In the mean time, even formerly expensive vr equipment such as simulators are being used to teach ppl relatively mundane things such as driving a car, with some lowering of costs and increase in safety. That's nice too.


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iamom January 24th, 2002
Yes yes, excellent points. As for the story... Imagine a movie that uncovers such interesting themes as does the Matrix, but in an interactive version that you play as a cool game? For many, the game would probably just be another cool first-person shooting game, but for those more interested in the underlying story, it could possibly be that video-game enlightenment tool we're talking about!

Let's start developing it. If we can get Sony or someone to buy the rights from us, we'll probably be able to retire on the income...

prismfaerie January 24th, 2002
Have you heard of a form of video game called RPGs? Ones that are of quality are kind of like interactive novels or movies. There is an RPG that was released in 1998 called Xenogears that was incredibly enlightening...it surpassed a simple 'video game' and began to change the way video games are looked at, subtly bringing a whole new face to the industry.

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iamom January 24th, 2002
I've heard you talk about Xenogears in your journal, but I've never really checked it out. Where would I find more info?

(Forget it - just found it on Google:
http://www.xenogears.org/)

I'll have a look. What do you like about it the most?

prismfaerie January 24th, 2002
Actually, you might want to look into http://www.the-ethos.org as well...I find it a better source.^^

It is difficult to summarize. It is simply profound. The script, the plot line, the characters are dynamic and amazing. The history is rich and deep - it is not an alternate reality but in our distant reality. It and Xenosaga (its upcoming prequel) have many parallels to our world such as Lake Turkana, nanotechnology, "Lost Jerusalem" (Earth), Mary Magdeline, Ormus, Plermoa, the Quantum Physics theory, Jewish mystisim, etc...

prismfaerie January 24th, 2002
O and Gnosticism too^^

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iamom January 24th, 2002
Okay, now you've got me scared to try the game, for fear of countless lost hours playing it...

It sounds pretty cool.

prismfaerie January 24th, 2002
Well I won't lie, it is 60-70 hrs.^^

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iamom January 24th, 2002
Well, that's not bad if it's spread out over a certain timespan. How long did it take you to finish it?

prismfaerie January 24th, 2002
My first file was 90 hours, but that was only because I was procrastinating. (I admit to wanting to prolong it a bit^^)

Otherwise, Xenogears is very engrossing, you hardly notice it is as long as it is. At least for me. It has a good balance of gameplay and plot (the second disc, however, is a matter of debate).

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fireceremony January 24th, 2002

*grin* and then we could really be "no-doers" on the income. ;) We should do it !

I haven't seen The Matrix but I guess I should see it since it's the most often mentioned movie when it comes to film and nonduality. The movie suggests that the reality sensed isn't a fixed reality but something that's constantly interpreted and therefore can be manipulated ? (I've only seen scenes from it) Or does it pose even more interesting questions ?

I wonder if you had a 3D world which took you thru a short adventure to establish interactivity and getting ppl used to the game controls and then began asking questions such as "you see your hands, you see the objects around you and you can touch them (here the player can touch an object or pick up an object seen on screen) but are they really separate from you or are they, when you sense them, also a part of you ?" would be an interesting experiment...

Maybe it would be enough to tell the story of a person who discovered the nondual perspective (without using any spiritual jargon) thru inner questioning and illustrate the story interactively like a game...

vyus January 24th, 2002
I don't find The Matrix to be too nondualistic. It is very physical, very scientific and therefore reductionist to an extent. The idea is that reality is what your neurons tell you - you're plugged into this computer that feeds stimuli directly into your nervous system. Once the characters unplug, they still have all the issues that come with duality ;)

Unless you're averse to violence, it's a good movie.

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iamom January 25th, 2002
I liked to view the "plugged-in" aspect of the movie as a metaphor for the "un-plugged" aspect. The movie played with the differences and similarities between the two aspects, and it also highlighted the arbitrary (and easily affected) way that we interpret our reality.

In any event, there's an authoritative synopsis of the discussion that ensued about this movie in Nonduality Salon. You might find parts of it an interested read.

http://www.nonduality.com/matrix.htm

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fireceremony January 26th, 2002

Thanks for telling us that.

That was the impression I got from the last half of the movie that I've seen.

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