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Axis of Evil

George W. Bush's sense of diplomacy appears weak to me. In this morning's news, I heard him say something about America protecting the interests of the Phillippines and Australia. What? Australia? Since when has he cared? And did they even ask the US for any help?

I don't understand why he's on this mission to root out evil everywhere. Does anyone remember asking him to do that for us? I mean, we didn't even give him a very strong mandate to do anything, and he's been going on about North Korea and Iraq for weeks. It seems like he's on an ego trip or something.

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vyus February 19th, 2002
that seems to be how he works. plants ideas in public consciousness ("iraq is bad"), says it doesn't mean we're going to bomb anyone, and a few weeks later, bombs someone.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying all this global political stuff is easy to untangle, but geez i agree with you, bush is awful.

and you know the now-old joke.. "as long as we've got smart bombs, we don't need smart kids."

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iamom February 19th, 2002
geez i agree with you, bush is awful

Yep. Class-A wanker, no doubt about it. He strikes me as someone who has never developed any critical thinking skills. His logic is generally infantile and shallow, and his lack of defensible and logical arguments to back up his audacious foreign policy decisions insults our intelligence. I mean, who the hell does he think he's fooling, here? Certainly nobody I know.

However, as long as I don't catch too much US news, he doesn't even exist for me, so I'm happy.

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vyus February 20th, 2002
he seems to fairly immune from real criticism. it's been like that since the election, and i don't understand it. he's got an awful lot of skeletons in his closet, and it doesn't seem to matter - the media just isn't going with it.

i did not vote for him =) (the perennial american excuse ;)

chaizzilla March 11th, 2002
"as long as we've got smart bombs, we don't need smart kids."

o wow that is beautifully succinct.

prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
He is such an idiot.

Axis of Evil. I can't get over that.

Oh, be fair...

giles February 19th, 2002
His father single-handedly knocked down the Berlin wall, the LEAST he can do is destroy evil wherever it may lurk in the world.

I keep waiting for someone to bring up "1984" with its generalized, constant war with ever-changing participants and situations.

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prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
I thought that was Reagen?

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giles February 19th, 2002
Nope. Definitely Bush the Elder.

I'm only sure about that because I have distinct memories of a Saturday Night Live sketch on the subject. (Dana Carvey doing something along the lines of "No Bush - WALL. Bush - NO WALL.")

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prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
The wall finally fell in 1989, the last year of Reagens term. I'm not sure exactly in which term the fall physically fell, as Bush senior's term began in 1989, but I'm pretty sure Reagan was resonsible for getting it done.^^;

I think I saw that skit - wasn't he saying that more in the sense of 'new decade, no wall!' than 'I have successfully taken down the wall'?

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prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
wall, not fall. ^^;

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giles February 19th, 2002

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prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
And of course 3 months ago I had an idea, made a little speech.. [ takes out a paper from his pocket ] ..and I quote the Washington Post, July 18, 1989, right here: "'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall,' said Bush." [ wheezing laugh ]

Reagan is the one who said that, not Bush. Notice how there is laugher after he says that? :)

"...President Ronald Reagan visits the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and speaks these now famous words: "General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here, to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

It is just an SNL skit, not a textbook. :)

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<i>And of course 3 months ago I had an idea, made a little speech.. [ takes out a paper from his pocket ] ..and I quote the Washington Post, July 18, 1989, right here: "'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall,' said Bush." [ wheezing laugh ]</i>

Reagan is the one who said that, not Bush. Notice how there is laugher after he says that? :)

<i>"...President Ronald Reagan visits the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and speaks these now famous words: "General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here, to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"</i>

It is just an SNL skit, not a textbook. :)

<a href"http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/ed_events/berlin.htm">Although Ronald Reagan was not president when the wall was torn down (meaning physically), he is largely credited with shaping the events that led to the fall of the Berlin Wall.</a>

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prismfaerie February 19th, 2002
Well, tone is difficult to discern online you know. ;)

soulsearching February 19th, 2002
It's all about the Nobel Prize and his inability in face of the economic difficulties in his homeland.

vyus February 19th, 2002
i am beginning to abhor that homeland term.

=)

so many spins. i want a president, not a dance partner.

Bah

a_quiet_affair February 20th, 2002
O O O-aura</b>

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iamom February 22nd, 2002
I've gotten hell on here for not acknowledging how evil September 11th was. Evil means different things to different people, but undoubtedly a lot of people would agree that the act was evil.

Having said that, I like what I perceive to be your underlying message: namely, that we should speak openly and say what we mean. Maybe even talk about how we feel. I don't remember hearing a lot of media coverage about how we regular people were feeling in the weeks following the attack. Within a month, we were dropping bombs on Afghanistan, having only recently put out all the fires after the towers' collapse. Bush's policy sure doesn't speak to the wishes of any of the regular citizens I know.

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chaizzilla March 11th, 2002
how many regular american citizens have you met?

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iamom March 12th, 2002
Quite a few, I think. Lots on here, but I deal with many more on a daily basis through my work, and I have a personal relationship with several of those work folks.

Do those policies speak to you, personally?

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chaizzilla March 12th, 2002
no, ut i'm not a regular american. watch some riki lake or jerry springer or people's court for regular americana.

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iamom March 13th, 2002
Ack! Touché, then. If that's really regular Americana, you can add that to my list of reason why I won't defect to the US...

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chaizzilla March 11th, 2002
clinton's iq being like what, fifty times that of bush's didn't hurt

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